Getting kicked out of baseball camp

Zoe Rogers: Apparently that gets you kicked out of a West LA summer camp. And when the guy called my husband, he was like: “Look, dude, you and I both grew up in the ’90s, and we know that’s how it went down. But on the west side of Los Angeles, you can’t just punch a kid for being a jerk. You don’t know who his dad is.”

Andrea Marie: We are Moms Unhinged, a nationally touring standup comedy show. Join us in our podcast as we explore everything from motherhood, midlife, crisis, marriage, divorce, online dating, menopause, and other things that irritate us.

Here we are, i’m so excited. I’m Andrea Marie, your host. I am joined by two amazing comedians that we have on our Moms Unhinged shows, Zoe Rogers and Jody Carroll. Welcome, you guys.

Jody Carroll: Hey.

Andrea Marie: So fun. So, so fun. So Jodi is one of our Seattle-based comedians, and Zoe is one of our Colorado-based comedians.

So, exciting. So yeah. And today as we’re approaching summer here, we’re gonna be talking about summer camps and that whole disaster of a time that is just ridiculous and just like, so hard. Summer camps, like, it just, it’s such a competitive sport these days.

Jody Carroll: Yeah, it can be for sports. You say you call it a disaster, I call it a gift from God.

Registration chaos begins

Zoe Rogers: There’s so much stress to it too, ’cause it’s like you want a camp, you better get up at 5:00 AM in February and get in line on an online with a thousand other people.

Andrea Marie: Totally. Totally, that’s the thing. It’s kind of stressful to sign up. Yeah, let’s talk about that first, sign up. Sign up is crazy, right?

Jody Carroll: Sign up is crazy.

Zoe Rogers: It was nuts. It felt like a Taylor Swift ticket grab for me. Like I had to get up to get in a pre-line line online and, like, coordinate with other parents, like texting them because you have a finite amount to register, like, “Which jewelry making camp are you in?” And like, then you’re in the official line, and I was just like, “This is taking up my entire day.”

Like, it felt like I was getting Taylor Swift tickets, but I’m really just signing up for jewelry camp.

Jody Carroll: Yeah.

Andrea Marie: That’s

Jody Carroll: I had a friend in high school who tried out for the cheerleading team and cheerleading squad, and she didn’t make it. And so her mom marched up to the school and made such a fuss that they put my friend on the cheerleading squad. She was a cheerleader. 

Andrea Marie: Oh my gosh.

Jody Carroll: And I don’t know how she did it, but I have thought about that, you know, ever since I was that age, a teenager, and I’ve always really fought for my kids to, you know.

Like, if they missed a, if they didn’t get into the camp or whatever, I kind of was that person that made a stink or would call. This was before Karen, so we hadn’t made a bad name for ourselves.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, Jodi’s the original Karen. 

Jody Carroll: Yeah.

Zoe Rogers: Ahead of your time. 

Jody Carroll: Yeah, my oldest was born in 1995, so yeah, I’m the original Karen. No, but it was something that I, in a way respected that she had fought for her kid. Obviously, it was such big gossip around town, like how embarrassing, right? But at the same time, I was kinda like, “Well, you know, if there’s something…”

And then you always hear that, you always hear about mama bears, and they’re always really respected and revered and so, you know, kind of that experience combined with wanting to be proud of being a mama bear made me.

Andrea Marie: Is Is it Mama 

Jody Carroll: Bear? 

So for example, my kids wanted to go to this Young Life camp, and it was when they wanted to be counselors, and I had this picture in my mind that my son and my daughter would go to the same Young Life camp and be counselors the same session, and it would just be this, you know, really perfect situation. And it was the best Young Life camp. It’s up in Malibu, in British Columbia. It’s gorgeous. I don’t know if you guys have seen pictures of it, but it’s awesome. There’s no phones, there’s no drinking, there’s none of that. 

Andrea Marie: Yeah. 

Jody Carroll: And my son would’ve been driving the boat for water skiing.

Anyway, I called enough times. I made a big enough stink, it happened.

Andrea Marie: They got in.

Jody Carroll: It happened, and it was the summer of joy. I mean, it was. They had the best time. It was so cool that they were there together. You know, it’s kind of like their childhood is so short that I kinda didn’t mind making it happen sometime.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, ’cause you only really have a couple of summers, you know. summer… Yeah, at that.

Jody Carroll: This is the only summer this is gonna work for you guys. This is gonna happen.

Andrea Marie: Yeah. Yeah, that’s cool. So that was the whole summer. They were there the whole summer?

Jody Carroll: Well, it’s about three weeks.

Andrea Marie: Okay. Okay.

Jody Carroll: Oh, maybe five. Maybe it’s more like four or five weeks. It is a long time. It is a long time. They’re older.

One was a senior and one was a senior in high school and then a sophomore. 

Andrea Marie: Yeah, that was the time to make it happen. Yeah, ’cause I mean, if you’re talking about that kind of summer camp is really great. You know, they’re away, you’ve got a break. Like, these summer camps that you sign them up for, like jewelry making or like cooking, they’re like a couple hours.

Zoe Rogers: Just a grocery trip really.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, you’re spending, you’re spending like the day driving them around, you’re coordinating the schedule, you’re figuring out. And it’s like super expensive for like two hours of Lego building or whatever that they could do at home.

Zoe Rogers: Yes.

Jody Carroll: Mmhmm.

Zoe Rogers: With my older two, they’re both, now we know they’re both musicians, but we signed them up for like, a baseball camp because it was, it had the best hours. It had like, drop off at 8:00 and pick up at 5:00.

Andrea Marie: Oh, wow.

The West LA summer camp incident

Zoe Rogers: It had the best hours, but it was an epic disaster. I had gone to the Edinburgh Fringe that year, and my husband didn’t even tell me what a disaster it was until I got back ’cause he didn’t wanna stress me out.

But they were six and 10, and my six-year-old was and continues to be now at almost 17, very feisty. Like, definitely you would describe as scrappy. And an older kid was picking on him and, like, flicked his hat off his head and then pulled his shirt over his head. And so my then six-year-old reached up and grabbed this kid by the collar and punched him in the face, as you would, I guess.

But apparently that gets you kicked out of a West LA summer camp. And when the guy called my husband, he was like: “Look, dude, you and I both grew up in the ’90s, and we know that’s how it went down. But on the west side of Los Angeles, you can’t just punch a kid for being a jerk. You don’t know who his dad is.”

And so they got booted out, and I didn’t know about it until I asked my older son. I said: “What was your…” ‘Cause I was really surprised that they did well at baseball camp. Neither one of them was very athletic. And I said: “What was your favorite part about baseball camp?” And he said: “My favorite part was when my brother punched that kid in the face and we got to go back inside in the air conditioning and do a theater camp instead.” 

Andrea Marie: Your kids got kicked out of summer camp, that’s amazing. 

Zoe Rogers: I was like, “Oh.” 

Jody Carroll: That’s pretty, yeah. 

Zoe Rogers: “That’s news to me.” 

Jody Carroll: Pretty gangster. That’s a gangster move. 

Zoe Rogers: It really was. 

Jody Carroll: “I got kicked outta camp.” 

Zoe Rogers: Like, “That Was the best part.”

Andrea Marie: Exactly. Talk about mama bear. I’d be like, “Yeah.”

Jody Carroll: Yeah, exactly.

Zoe Rogers: Oh.

Andrea Marie: Oh, that’s terrible. That’s so funny.

Jody Carroll: Wonder where they learned to do that.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, I know. I know, you know? You gotta stand up for yourself, you know, right?

Zoe Rogers: My husband was like, I guess the, ’cause I grew up in New York, he was like, “I guess the New Yorkerness is hereditary.”

Jody Carroll: Yeah, in your blood.

Zoe Rogers: Did you just disrespect me?

Jody Carroll: Exactly,

Zoe Rogers: I’m 6, what are you thinking? Yeah.

The camp they hated

Andrea Marie: Oh man, my kids went to a summer camp that they hated, and I thought it was amazing. It was one of the pricier summer camps and it had good hours. I’m not gonna name names because it is a good summer camp. My kids just didn’t like it. And, it had good hours. It was like all day, and they did all these amazing things.

The Sweet Cow ice cream truck came to them one day, and they had like big slides that they blew up and, you know, like all Jumpy Castle day and all kinds of stuff that they, but my kids just didn’t like the, they had a song that they would sing every morning, and the counselors would get all like too rah-rah for them, and they’re kinda like just not into that.

My kids are a little more like, “Let’s go play Legos in the corner,” you know, not get all hyped up or whatever. 

Jody Carroll: Yeah 

Andrea Marie: So they made up their own lyrics to the song that they would sing. And it was, they were terrible. They were mean, mean lyrics, and they would go around the house singing ’em.

And I was like, “I spent so much money on these, on this camp, and they hate it,” and I was just like so annoyed by that.

Jody Carroll: That’s really, that’s a certain personality that they have that’s so cute that they thought, “That’s so stupid, that stupid ‘Ra Ra’ song. Like get over it.” Like, that’s really cool. I love that.

Zoe Rogers: At a certain point they just decide they don’t like something and they’re just like a double down. Like not only do I not like it, but I’m rewriting the song.

Andrea Marie: I know. It’s just, it’s funny how you think you’re trying to give your kids this well-rounded experience like sports, let’s play some sport. I mean, ’cause you don’t really know what they really like. You know, you’re trying to get them exposed to a lot of different things. expensive

Jody Carroll: there you go, it’s really expensive. I don’t know if you guys did very many sports camps or whatever, but then they make it seem like, “Oh, you’re invited to this sports camp. Just $20,000 and you can come to this sports camp.” Lucky me. Lucky us. No.

Zoe Rogers: How could one say no?

Jody Carroll: You get so bamboozled, you know, thinking that it’s the greatest thing, and it’s just.

Andrea Marie: Jodi?

Jody Carroll: Not very many. Mm-mm. No no, they didn’t. But our youngest was very athletic, so she did a couple, and they would say, “Oh, she got invited.”

 And, you know, at the time it was, I was like, “All right. I don’t care. I’ll sell the house.” You know, “I’m invited to this sports camp. We’re on our way.”

I feel openly rush, you know, that I’ve never felt before in my life. Yeah. And bragging rights and stuff so yeah, we sent her to a couple, and then finally we got wise to, and finally we were like, “Wait a second.”

Andrea Marie: She’s not that good.

Jody Carroll: Yeah. Exactly.

Zoe Rogers: We did a lot of like theater camps after the punch in the face thing. We did a lot of theater and musical camps that were like inside air-conditioned.

Andrea Marie: It’s hot. Well, your kids grew up in LA, do they, or mostly?

Zoe Rogers: Yeah. I mean, we moved here when they were like 13 and, 13, nine, and almost one.

Andrea Marie: Yeah. Wow.

Zoe Rogers: And so the older two grew up there. They did theater camps and, I mean, they did some sports camps that weren’t quite, they were just like catch-all camps. They got Otter Pops at the end. That’s what they were in it for.

But not like really competitive sports. And then they did like theater and music camps, which is like sort of a mixed bag.

Jody Carroll: And they have show at the end. 

Andrea Marie: Yeah. 

Jody Carroll: which is so

Andrea Marie: That’s fun.

Jody Carroll: You’re like, 

Well, I kind of want to get Friday off too, but I need to go to the camp and watch the show.

Andrea Marie: I know.

Sleepaway camp memories

Zoe Rogers: Yeah. I went to one of those. I went to like, a theater camp that was a sleepaway camp in New York when I was growing up, and that was fun. That was like, like I was of, like, my kids do the day camp, but I was of that generation where I got shipped off.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, I think

Zoe Rogers: I was like, “See you in August.”

Andrea Marie: That’s much more common on the East Coast, I think, in general. You know, and I was like, It’s funny because we had a Lutheran camp that was down in, a lot of those camps aren’t religious, but ours just happened to be.

And it was like a week-long thing. I was like, “Okay, that’ll be great. We’ll get a break,” and, you know, people on the East Coast do it all the time for like three weeks, and, you know, that sounds really good. Well, my youngest I think was six, and that, for that age it was just a half week, or like three days.

And it was down like a two-hour drive to go get there, or maybe it was even longer, three, to get there. Dropped him off, and I like freaked out after that. I couldn’t even like, I was like, “What did we do? I dropped him off. The poor kid. He’s probably scared and everything.” I was like, I couldn’t relax at all for those three days.

Jody Carroll: Did you drive back? What? What did you do?

Andrea Marie: I didn’t drive back.I let it go, just like tried to hold on and like, but I just didn’t enjoy those, that time away, ’cause I was so freaked out. And it was fine for him. He enjoyed it pretty much, but I think he was ready to come home after three days. But yeah, I can’t imagine doing longer.

One mom who slept in her car

Jody Carroll: I coached a ski racing camp. I grew up ski racing. That’s all there is to do in Alaska. And so I coached a camp at Mount Hood.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jody Carroll: when we were first married. We didn’t have kids. But my little group was six and seven-year-olds, and it was, you know, it was a tough camp on them. We had to hike up to get to the ski area and stuff.

But one of the moms, just like you, she was so sad. She was crying and everything. And so the next morning I woke up and, you know, we were up so early, so I saw her later, like at lunchtime or something, and I’m like, “Oh, you drove all the way back?” It’s probably like a six-hour drive. And she goes, “No, I slept in my car last night.”

Zoe Rogers: Oh.

Jody Carroll: Overnight. She was so scared and so sad. It was so sweet, little Mikey. Yeah. And so she slept in her car for like one night. And I said, “Well, if you’re gonna stay the night, come in. I don’t know what happened.” She goes, “I don’t know if I can live in here.” She’s like you.

“Overnight camp” vs. “overnights camp”

Jody Carroll: Then my sister, her son, this is really cute. They were good soccer players. So he was, I think, six. Same age. The same thing, you know, where it’s kind of the first time and she’s like, “Do you think you’re ready for overnight camp? Do you think you’re ready for overnight camp? It’s not day camp, it’s overnight camp.” “Yes, I’m ready, Mom.” You know, all his older siblings went.

“I wanna go. It’s gonna be great.” So they drive up to the camp and she goes, “Okay, I’ll see you in three or four days,” what you were saying. He goes, “What?” And she goes, “Yeah, I’ll see you in three or four days. You’re gonna stay here.” He goes, “You said overnight camp, not over nights camp.” He thought it was one night. And he got so mad. He started crying.

Andrea Marie: Aw man. That’s hilarious. 

Jody Carroll: He thought it was just one night.

Andrea Marie: That’s … Well, yeah, that’s good.

Jody Carroll: Isn’t that so cute? They just misunderstood.

Zoe Rogers: Man, yeah, I’ve, I’ve freaked out before where I’m like, “I don’t know these people. I’m about to leave my children with these people.” And sometimes these people are, like, 16 years old. And I’m just like.

Andrea Marie: I know. And they don’t really care. You know, whatever.

Jody Carroll: No, I didn’t care. I wasn’t 16, I was 20, and I didn’t care. Like, come on. You know? And I had no idea what these parents were going through. None. I did not care. I’m like, “I don’t care. You fell down, get up.” You know?

Andrea Marie: Oh, that’s so funny. It’s way different.

Jody Carroll: Did you guys ever, did you guys ever work at a camp?

Like, were you ever camp counselors?

Andrea Marie: I never… no, but you know, it definitely, like, when I was in my 20s, well that was, I was working with teens, like at that point, so they’re a little more resilient. But you know, the young kids, like you know, that’s tough, you know. Cause sometimes it’s hard to reason with them, you know.

Jody Carroll: Sometimes she’s don’t know they’re like falling apart inside.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jody Carroll: You know, homesick and everything, and I didn’t understand that at all. But yeah.

Andrea Marie: Totally.

The friend they had in February

Zoe Rogers: I had a friend who tried to convince me to send my son with her son to this sleepaway camp in another state, and she was saying how great it was, and it was terrific, and I was like, “I’m sure it is, but he’s just not ready. I’m not ready.”

But she was really pushing for it. I sort of just skirted the issue and didn’t talk about it, but she reached out to me because her kid had a meltdown at the camp, and so she had to miss a week of work to drive up there, pick him up.

She was like, “We’re gonna have to do two nights at a hotel because it’s so far. I have to get a rental car,” and then by the time she got there, he was like, “You know what? Maybe I’ll give it another chance.” And she was like, “Get in the car.”

She was like, “No.” She called me afterwards being like, “This is an archaic tradition, and I don’t know why people do it.” And I was like, “Okay.”

Andrea Marie: That’s funny. It is hard to coordinate ’cause I remember we were always trying to coordinate who was going, like what their friends were doing, and then you gotta get them signed up for the same thing so they can have a buddy. and just like the logistics of it all are just crazy. I felt like I needed a spreadsheet of what was and who, you know, even like

Zoe Rogers: Who was a friend in February might not be a friend in July, you know. 

Andrea Marie: That’s very true. 

Zoe Rogers: And then you’ve coordinated with their mom and you’re like, “It’s your mortal enemy? Too bad, I locked this in in February.”

Jody Carroll: You’ve already put some money down. Yeah, I mean, that’s true. I forgot about that. It, and it does help if they have a friend. It helps a lot. 

Andrea Marie: Sure. 

Zoe Rogers: No, sure.

Andrea Marie: For sure. We had a thing… and camps are so expensive. You do want it to be a really good experience. We had a funny thing where we were pretty, like, I was with a group of moms who we were all stay-at-home moms and really trying to budget. But we needed a break too. So we found all of the Bible camps that were free a lot of times, or like, had a donation.

And we would just sign them up for, we didn’t even go to those churches, you know? We would just sign them up for, we went to some of the churches. We had, you know, some of the groups were like, “Okay, my church is, mine is this week. Mine is this week.” And so then someone found a random church.

They’re like, “I don’t know.” And I was like, “know.”

Jody Carroll: Did the boys like them?

Andrea Marie: They were, they got sick of them ’cause they’re all kind of very similar. You know, they were like, “All right, enough with the vacation Bible school, Mom.”

Jody Carroll: That’s brilliant. That’s so, that’s really smart.

Andrea Marie: Funny. Now Jodi, you.

They’re doing a documentary on you. Moms going around to all the camps. We’re freezing.

What happened to summer camp?

Andrea Marie: I know. Now Zoe, you had kids who were like a huge age range, and you were talking about like, before we hopped on, like the difference in camps from like the early times to the younger times. What did you notice?

Zoe Rogers: My oldest, we filled out a form, and I stapled the health form to it, and I brought it to the person, and that was it. I mailed it sometimes if I knew them from the year before, but usually I’d like, someone would recommend it, like the pedi-pedia-pediatric office or a nurse there would be like, “Oh, my son went there.”

So I’d fill out their form. I’d get a health form stapled to it. I’d go visit, and then that was it. And then the next year, I’d just mail it to them. But now it was like, “You need to log on in February, and you need to get there an hour before to be in the pre-line line, and then you get in the official queue, but then you only have this amount of time to register for your classes.”

And I was just like, “I liked it better.”

Andrea Marie: I know, just the form.

Zoe Rogers: Like, you know, where I’d call and they’d be like, “Oh, yeah. Hi, how are you?” And I’d be like, “Good.” Like, we knew who the other person was. I don’t know who these people are. They’re certainly not offering to have me come into the camp. You know, you have to, like, do it sort of sight unseen and put it all on the line.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Zoe Rogers: You’re gonna be stuck being the camp director yourself in your house all summer.

Jody Carroll: I remember not liking having them gone at camp. It was way more fun when they were just at home.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, yeah.

Jody Carroll: Always.

I don’t, okay, it’s funny. Now, now that you said that, I was like, “Yeah, I do remember just, like, having that summertime with them.”

Andrea Marie: Yeah. Well, and then when they get in their teens, they’re definitely not doing any k- You know, they’re like, “No, we’re not doing that, mom.” You know, so

Zoe Rogers: And it’s just kind of find an internship.

Jody Carroll: Yeah, they need. That’s why the Young Life thing was so cool because they were partying by that age. So just to get them extracted out of that, you know.

Andrea Marie: Right, for a period of time with no phones, that’s pretty amazing.

Summer camp meets grizzly bears

Jody Carroll: Yeah, it was really cool. One time my son went to a, not really a camp, but it’s like the outdoor program called NOLS.

Andrea Marie: Oh, yeah. 

Jody Carroll: Leadership School. You guys have heard of it.

Andrea Marie: Those are cool. Yes.

Jody Carroll: They’re fantastic. I mean, I couldn’t recommend it more, but we had a friend, two friends that went and just loved it. It was life-changing for my son.

But he was gone and so we couldn’t hear from, you know, we didn’t hear anything from him that whole time. But my husband found YouTube, a YouTube vlog from a guy that, you know, some kids had gone this maybe a couple years before. And so he was kind of following along ’cause when they come, came home, they uploaded their trip onto YouTube.

They couldn’t do it at the time, obviously. But when they came home, they uploaded, and this had been two years ago, same session, same program. So my husband found this, and he was kind of following along with it. And so one day he logged onto it and, you know, NOLS, blah, blah, blah, this thing. And a news article came up that same program, two kids had gotten eaten by grizzly bears, by a grizzly.

Andrea Marie: God, that’s awful.

Jody Carroll: And Casey, I know, and Casey still had, I think 10 more days till he got oh my God. And my husband, Kelly, God bless him, he did not say a word to me. He told me about the story.

Andrea Marie: I would not wanna hear that right when my son’s gone.

Zoe Rogers: No.

Jody Carroll: Ooh. Terrible. Awful, awful. So obviously they say they have, you know, adjusted for this kind of thing, but this is Alaska. Up in the Alaskan wilderness, grizzly bears don’t have patterns. They like go boop, boop, boop, boop. They’re salt and peppered all over. 

And they don’t follow the same, this is what I’ve heard. Um, typically, I guess their characteristics or their habits, they don’t really… scary.

Andrea Marie: That’s so. I mean, you don’t think about that. That’s just like so.

Jody Carroll: He never went back again.

Andrea Marie: I know, gosh. Oh gosh. What about Mother Bear? Oh my God. Tell us about.

So crazy. Yeah, the mother bear, right. I know, mama bear comes out. Literally mama bear. So do you guys have any memories of your own summer camps? Did we even have summer camps back then?

What did we do? I don’t, did you have summer camp?

Zoe Rogers: I got shipped off. I’m the youngest of four, so my mom was like, “Off you go.”

Andrea Marie: So how long, how many weeks was that?

Jody Carroll: You have to be shipped off, right? Because they need to stay and work and the East Coast is a muggy mess, right?

Zoe Rogers: Yeah. So you’re getting, I remember hearing like, “You’re gonna go someplace where it’s not hot and it doesn’t smell like garbage and dog pee.” And so I’d be shipped off to like the Adirondacks or Vermont or just to do summer programs there.

Jody Carroll: Yeah.

Zoe Rogers: And they had a big gap too with their kids.

So I was the youngest, and there was six years between me and my sister. So like she was off doing her thing and my brothers were doing their thing, so I would get shipped off. And it was fun, but it was definitely the kind of thing where it was like, “Okay, after the first week you can have a phone call with your family.

After the second week you can have one 10-minute phone.” You know, like it was, you were not getting picked up. That was not happening. You know, like you were shipped off and you were there for the amount of time that you were there and that was it.

Andrea Marie: Wow

Jody Carroll: Can you remember even getting like a rash or getting sick or getting a bee sting or anything like that?

Zoe Rogers: I had gone to a couple outdoor day camps, and I preferred the sleepaway ones because they were largely like in, like, they were like theater-y camps with like air conditioning. But the ones that I’d went to outside, like I got sunburned. Like, I would get some sort of like heat rash or it was not an attractive time for me.

I have a sweatshirt that says indoorsy because I’m not an outdoorsy person.

Like I burn, I get hives, like things sting me. It’s just not a good look for me.

Jody Carroll: Great.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, we would just mostly play. I mean, we did swim, like swim lessons. That was our big thing. Swim lessons, that was our big summer activity, and then it was just playing outside. You know, just, you’re just outside. You’re not, you don’t come home till dark. I remember I built a fort in some woods that one summer I spent the whole summer just dragging old garbage into a area and called it a fort, and I was just covered in mosquito bites, and I was like super happy.

Jody Carroll: Yeah. That is so cool.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jody Carroll: That’s really cool.

Andrea Marie: I grew up outside of Chicago in the suburbs, some, you know, kinda little woodsy areas here and there. I feel like there was more, like, just open land sometimes, you know, where no one really owned it. Or if they did, they didn’t keep it up, and it was just kinda, vacant little, you know, bunch of trees, and undergrowth.

Jody Carroll: Good for kids doing stuff like that. 

Andrea Marie: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Jody Carroll: Good they get do that, exploring.

Andrea Marie: I know. 

Jody Carroll: Yeah, cool. 

Andrea Marie: Guys, this has been so fun, so fun to chat about, like summer camp memories, and good luck to any of the parents, the moms out there who are struggling with summer camp and driving and all of the stuff that comes with summer camp.

So why don’t you guys let us know where people can follow you, find you. We’ll put those links in the comments. So go ahead, Zoe.

Zoe Rogers: @zoerogerscomedy. Red Zoe Comedy on Instagram or I Write Comedy online.

Andrea Marie: Nice. And how about you, Jody?

Jody Carroll: Jody Carroll Comedy on Instagram and TikTok, and then Jody Carroll Comedy for my website.

Andrea Marie: Awesome. Well, we’ll put those links in the show notes, and thank you both for joining us for this fun discussion. 

Zoe Rogers: You too.

Andrea Marie: all right, bye everyone. 

Jody Carroll: Bye.

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