A Cheez-It Emergency

Jennifer Rawlings: I’d given my kids very strict instructions. Only call me if it is an absolute emergency. Car accident, somebody has lost an eye, somebody.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: You know, is not breathing.

So my phone rings, and it’s my son Noah, and he’s crying. And I’m like, “Oh my God, Noah, what is it? What is it?” And he goes, “Mom, Mom, Mom, Elijah ate all the Cheez-Its.”

Andrea Marie: We are Moms Unhinged, a nationally touring standup comedy show. Join us in our podcast as we explore everything from motherhood, midlife, crisis, marriage, divorce, online dating, menopause, and other things that irritate us.

Hello everyone, and welcome to Moms Unhinged, the podcast. I’m your host, Andrea Marie, and I am here with the lovely Jennifer Rawlings today. Welcome, Jennifer.

Jennifer Rawlings: I’m so excited to see you. I am loving your flowers going on in the back and the grass growing and all your artwork.

Andrea Marie: It’s all fake. Am so excited to talk to you. You have done so many different things. It’s just so fun to see, like, all, like, all the things that you have accomplished and done, and it’s just amazing. So we’re gonna dive right in.

Jennifer Rawlings: Oh, you’re so sweet.

I’ve done and failed at everything at least twice, and then tried again.

That’s what it’s about, right?

That’s right. Fall down. Whoops.

Andrea Marie: Putting yourself out there, and it doesn’t always go the way it goes in our head. So first of all, you were born, you’re from all over. We were just talking about this, before we started. You’re all over. I feel like you’re global.

You were born, though, in Salina, Kansas.

Jennifer Rawlings: Up in Salina, Kansas.

Andrea Marie: The smack middle of the country.

Jennifer Rawlings: In the middle.

The Story Behind I Only Smoke in War Zones

Jennifer Rawlings: And I raised my five kids in LA, and then we spend a lot of time on the East Coast too, ’cause I really enjoy theater and have developed shows for that, and so just trying to keep in the arts.

Andrea Marie: Right, so let’s talk about the shows that you have developed. You have a one-woman show that is called I Only Smoke In War Zones.

Jennifer Rawlings: Yes.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

And so it’s been, it was really fun. So I developed it at this place called the Cornelia Street Café in New York City, it’s where Eve Ensler developed, developed The Vagina Monologues. And, so I Only Smoke in War Zones, I toured it all over the world, like the Humor for Peace Festival and different theaters kind of everywhere.

And then a little while ago, we filmed it as a special, and the crazy thing is my two co-directors are 50, yeah, five-zero years apart. Oh, whoa.

Jennifer Rawlings: One of them, Eve Branstein, who I worked with years ago before I had all these wrinkles, and the other co-director was my youngest son, who’s a young filmmaker and he’s actually doing.

He did the last two Super Bowls. He’s doing the halftime at FIFA on the camera team, and he also was on the camera team of Taylor Swift’s Eras film.

Andrea Marie: Oh my God.

Jennifer Rawlings: If he is good enough for Swiftie, he is good enough for me.” So I let him co-direct it.

Andrea Marie: Aww.

Jennifer Rawlings: He did an amazing, amazing job. And so that was so fun to have like my youngest son who lived my journey of 350 shows for the military in like 70 countries kind of come full circle with your child.

So that was really fun. But so I Only Smoke in War Zones is both funny and serious, ‘ cause obviously, going to war zones definitely changes the way you see the world, and it’s really… if you were to just knock it down to one line, it’s mom in a war zone and her true stories. And so, it’s more like, it’s like David Sedaris meets Eve Ensler or something.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: What it is.

And so, yeah, so it’s fun. So it’s been in festivals recently, and it won Best Documentary in Monaco.

Andrea Marie: Oh.

Jennifer Rawlings: And in Las Vegas, and it won Most Creative at different festivals and stuff like that, Women’s Empowerment. And so now it’s gonna be streaming soon on multiple platforms near you

Andrea Marie: Wow, that’s so amazing. First of all, it’s like there’s just so many layers of amazing to that journey. Just the fact that you had five kids and you were touring at the same time.

Why a War Zone Sounded Relaxing

Jennifer Rawlings: Yeah. Well, so I wouldn’t have been so motivated to go to War Zones if I only had one kid. But with five, I was like.

Andrea Marie: The house.

Jennifer Rawlings: ” Hey, my phone doesn’t work half the time over here.”

Andrea Marie: It is calmer in the war zone than at my home.

Jennifer Rawlings: I mean, ’cause I mean, four of my five kids I had were under the age of seven at, you know, like when they were born. Like, and it was just, anybody out there with multiple kids, I bet you can relate to this because I would, as a young mom with kids at home, and I’d have to go to the grocery store, I would literally like start crying because one would be standing up in the cart, one would be taking stuff off the bottom shelf, one would be like hitting the other one, you know, and you’re like, “I just want five minutes to myself.”

So, you know, then I got a call to go to war zones, and I was like, “Oh, a war zone. Dangerous. No money. Oh, that sounds amazing.”

Andrea Marie: Yeah, how did that actually start? How did that come about? Like, what was the first, did you, like, submit something?

The Phone Call That Changed Everything

Jennifer Rawlings: So it was actually never a plan. I got a phone call one day from, I get a phone call one day and it’s like, “Hey Jennifer, it’s John blah, blah, blah from William Morris.” And I’m like, “Who?” And he’s like, “John blah, blah, blah from William Morris, your agent.” And I was like, “Oh my gosh, you’ve never called me before.

I did not recognize your voice.” And he was like, “Well, how’d you like to go to a war zone for no money? And it’s really dangerous.” I was like, “That sounds amazing.” And so I get on the plane headed for Iraq, ’cause, you know, the world changed. I mean, it was never a plan.

Andrea Marie: But you were, at that time, you were doing comedy at that time, to that.

I was doing comedy. I used to, oh, yeah.

How She Became a Comedian

Jennifer Rawlings: So my origin story in comedy was, I did, very first place I ever did standup was called Who’s On First in New York City. And after doing it exactly once, I moved to LA.

Andrea Marie: To go out. I am gonna break into Hollywood after one.

Jennifer Rawlings: I was so naive. I go to the Improv in Hollywood the very first night, and Bud Friedman was still alive at, bless his heart. He gave me and so many people their start. And I go to the Improv the very first night, and I was like, “Hi, I’m…” I mean, I’m, like, in my 20s. I’m like, “Hi, I’m Jennifer. I’m a comedian.”

I’ve done comedy once. And I go, “I wanna perform here.” And he goes, “Oh, you gotta come back on Sunday night and put your name in a hat, and then they draw it out of the hat.” And I look at him and I go, ” Well, why can’t I just go on now?” And he let me go on stage, and I’m pretty sure my material was horrible, but I did have stage presence.

And so something in my little young head knew better than to ask for a critique, so I didn’t say, “How did I do?” I said, You know, you don’t have to give me the best spots. I just wanna work.”

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: This was the crazy thing, Andrea. You know what he said to me? He said, “Call in on Friday with your availabilities.”

So I became a paid regular my second time comedy.

Andrea Marie: Oh my God.

Jennifer Rawlings: And I just owe so much to Bud Friedman. Thank you, Bud.

Andrea Marie: Oh my God. You probably like, that telling that story probably will make half the comedians out there in America wanna strangle you just a little bit, just a little . Lot of people are, were like trying so hard, you know, going to so many open mics to work and so, and you’re like, you’re like, “Hey.” Yeah. you’re like, “What? That was easy.”

Jennifer Rawlings: It was also a different time for women, that’s for sure. Nobody ever commented on what I should wear at a club and how my appearance should be. Oh, no, that never happened.

Andrea Marie: Oh, wow. That’s incredible. That’s incredible, and so you started doing comedy in LA.

Jennifer Rawlings: I took like a lot of time. You know, I would take like a decade off to have my kids. And then early on when my kids were young, I was like, “Okay, well, I could go to the Chuckle Hutter in Indianapolis and make like no money, or I could open for country acts.” And so I used to do a lot of touring with country acts.

Andrea Marie: How interesting.

Jennifer Rawlings: And so I opened for a lot of different acts. And it wasn’t as creatively exciting as, you know, doing your own thing, ’cause basically you’re just filling time before the band comes on.

Nobody can hear you. But it was a nice payday so, and also I think that’s changed now, ’cause now the labels get involved and they pay to have their acts go on.

But

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: Back in the day.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: Back in the day, you could, go open for country acts or whatever suited you, you know? I was never a dirty comic. I mean, a few swear words here and so that was a natural fit. I mean, more so than, you know, opening for like, I don’t know, somebody who.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: Yeah.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, yeah. That is so cool. I love, I love that arc and that story. So you know, you said yes to the, you know, the Warzone gig, and that just led to performing all over was it all over the world.

What War Taught Her

Jennifer Rawlings: All over the world. But the thing is, that is not a way to pay your mortgages or feed your children. That was a way for me, because it did change the way I saw the world, and you recognize, oh, wow. Okay, I’m gonna get a little heavy here. You do recognize, oh, wow, the real weapon of mass destruction in the world is poverty, and I need to speak to what I see going on.

Right. And I’m not a political comic whatsoever, and I’m still not, but I do speak to humanity. So that really shifted and, because of that decision to kinda share things that I saw and did. We’ll just jump into this ’cause this is included in my special. So this is one of my other hats I wear, and I probably should have them all on right now because my hair looks like crap.

But anyways, one of the other things I did, which is also a sidetrack, but I think really the same thing, ’cause I think people misunderstand comedy a lot. I think people often think that comedy is simply setup and punchline, whereas I think comedy is a key to open a door to conversation.

Andrea Marie: Mm-hmm.

Jennifer Rawlings: During my travels to war zones, there was one particular day where my daughter, she was a teenager at the time, she’s sitting outside.

Her Daughter’s Question Changed Her Life

Jennifer Rawlings: She’d been in the swimming pool, and she was sitting down to do her homework. And I look at my daughter and I’m like, “Courtney, you need to go change out of your wet swimsuit or you’re gonna get a yeast infection.” At which point my 15-year-old daughter looked at me and she goes, “Ugh, it’s my vagina. I’ll do what I want.”

And I’m like, “Oh my God.” I would have never said something like that to my own mother. So as she’s sitting there doing her homework, I’m reading an article, and it’s about this woman in Darfur whose child is starving. And she says to the journalist, she said, “If the fighting would stop, I could feed my family again, and life would go back to normal.”

And it was at that moment that I realized, oh, you know what? I know something that this woman doesn’t, that all these trips to war zones all over the world, I know something she doesn’t. And I start crying because I realize that this woman’s life is not gonna get better. And I think about all the other women that I’ve met whose lives are, have been destroyed by war.

And as I’m sitting there crying, of course, my daughter, very concerned about me, looks at me and she goes, “What are you crying about, Mom?” And I’m like, “Oh, it’s just so sad what goes on in the world and how people suffer.” And she’s like, “Well, what are you gonna do about it? You can’t just sit around crying. What are you gonna do about it?”

And I think, “Oh, I’m gonna smack your face.” But I can’t, ’cause I live in California. So then all night long, you know, it’s interesting how our kids really challenge us at all.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, right.

Jennifer Rawlings: I thought about her question, what am I gonna do about it? And in my head, logically, I’m a comic, I’m a mom, what could I possibly do for anybody, anywhere, at any time? And then I went to sleep and I woke up the next morning and I was like, “Ah, I’m gonna direct a documentary about women in the aftermath of war.”

So I decided I was gonna direct a film in Bosnia about women in the aftermath of war. And reason I chose Bosnia was because the war in Bosnia had been over for decades, That war was continuing to destroy lives because of poverty and corruption and all those things that come to the forefront in conflict.

Andrea Marie: Right.

Making a Film With Zero Experience

Jennifer Rawlings: So when I woke up the next morning, I thought, “Okay, I’m gonna call two friends and see if they wanna, you know, finance my, you know, learning curve of filmmaking.” Amazingly, they both said yes. And so with no training, oh, I had never even shot a home movie before, no crew, and you know, knowing nobody, no connections in Bosnia, I took a camera and bought a plane ticket and went there, and I directed this film.

And then, again, kind of shockingly, it was in festivals, and then over 100 universities over the years have used it as part of their human rights curriculum or, you know, women’s studies or religious studies, whatever category you wanna put that in. And so to me, comedy is so much more than just a setup and punchline.

Comedy is a way to have a conversation with people that is out of love and all-inclusive.

Andrea Marie: Yeah yeah, I think that is so true.

Jennifer Rawlings: And it’s all because of my mouthy daughter.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, right? That’s amazing. I know, teenagers, right? But the thing that I love about comedy and art, it, I think that people don’t realize, what a true art form it is and how it can change minds or like you said, open up conversations, but open up like different perspectives, ways of thinking because you point to the ridiculousness of something and they’re like, “Oh, yeah, why is it that that works that way?

Why Comedy Matters

Andrea Marie: That’s weird.” You know? So I think comedy is like a very stealthy way to change minds in, and open up, open eyes to situations.

Jennifer Rawlings: I couldn’t agree more. I think it’s one of the most important, like, kind of societal lights that we have. Like, “Okay, people, look over here.”

Andrea Marie: Yeah, that’s great. Well, that’s amazing. Congratulations on all the success of that, and I just hope it continues and, Thank you the thing is, like, war is not going anywhere. It’s still, you know, it doesn’t matter that you filmed that, you know, in Bosnia, that people barely remember that war.

Jennifer Rawlings: And that was kind of the other reason of that, ’cause we were already.

Andrea Marie: Yes. It is.

Jennifer Rawlings: In three different wars when I made that. I was like, “Well, hold on. Here’s what happens years later when everybody says, ‘Okay, success. It’s all over.’ Hmm, no.”

Andrea Marie: Is it? Is it?

Jennifer Rawlings: It is not so much.

Boarding a Black Hawk Helicopter…

Andrea Marie: Oh, man. I wanna talk about you had mentioned you had kind of an unhinged moment while you were performing in a war zone. So I wanna hear about that, ’cause we always bring in unhinged moments in our parenting journeys here.

Jennifer Rawlings: All right. So this was, so when I very first started, one of the blessings of going to war zones was that my cellphone didn’t have any coverage. But as the years went by, the coverage got a lot better. And so sadly, one day when I was in Afghanistan running to jump in a Black Hawk helicopter. And now, by the way, and I’m sure you’ve done this with your own kids.

Let me preface this by saying I’d given my kids very strict instructions. Only call me if it is an absolute emergency. Car accident, somebody has lost an eye, somebody.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: You know, is not breathing.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: So my phone rings, and it’s my son Noah, and he’s crying. And I’m like, “Oh my God, Noah, what is it? What is it?” And he goes, “Mom, Mom, Mom, Elijah ate all the Cheez-Its.” And all I can think of is I am 8,000 miles away. Your dad is eight feet away probably laying on the couch watching golf. Like, why your dad can’t go to the store. Jesus. It was beyond me.

Andrea Marie: It is crazy. It’s so crazy funny. Yeah, you probably just took a minute to process that. What is happening here? What? When you were over there, were you in like danger?

Jennifer Rawlings: Oh, yeah. So the very first night, that I was in Iraq, we flew into Mosul, Iraq, and this is before the fall of Fallujah, which was like, a big battle at the time, you know?

Andrea Marie: Uh huh.

Jennifer Rawlings: And I had never heard a bomb before, but there is no mistaking when you hear it the first time.

Andrea Marie: Wow.

Her First Night in Iraq

Jennifer Rawlings: And so we had been given, okay, let me just go back a little bit. So as we’re circling, on the plane to land from, We were coming from Kuwait to Mosul, and the C-130 is, like, doing all these turns to avoid enemy fire. And when we land, our Captain Clark says, you know, “My rucksack is filled with survival gear: compass, tarp, flashlight, flares.

If we’re shot down, feel free to rummage through it to take whatever you need. I’ll be dead.” And then as we walk off the plane, we are given three items. We are given a flak vest, a helmet, and a deck of cards. It was the deck of cards of Iraq’s, most deadly, like, most wanted whatever.

And so that very first night in Mosul, after we had done, you know, three shows that day, I’m sleeping in this, kind of a stackable conic.

It’s like a stackable plastic thing, and we were given instructions that if a bomb goes off, we’re supposed to go hide behind this cement barrier. And at 3:00 in the morning, sure enough, I hear a bomb go off. But at this point, I’m so tired, ’cause I’d flown across the country. I’d done two shows the day before in Kuwait, three shows that day in Iraq, and I just turned over on my military cot, and I was like, “Oh, fuck it. I’m just gonna go back to sleep.”

Andrea Marie: You know, what happens happens.

Jennifer Rawlings: What was I gonna do?

Andrea Marie: I’m really tired. Is that concrete wall really gonna do, save me?

Jennifer Rawlings: where is it? I wasn’t really listening that much.

Andrea Marie: Really listening. I was tired.

Jennifer Rawlings: Who was fired and who thought it was gonna happen? So yes, we were definitely, especially in those early days, and then there would, you would convoy to cross the street ’cause, you know, there was insurgent fire. And that very first trip to Iraq, every single day at every base we were at, we were rocketed and mortared.

Andrea Marie: Wow.

Jennifer Rawlings: And you’d hear them going off and you’re, “Oh, oh, okay.”

 The Reward of Entertaining Troops

Andrea Marie: Yeah, so after that first experience, obviously you didn’t, you weren’t like, “Well, let me rethink my life choices here.” You were like up for more touring, it must have been.

Jennifer Rawlings: Yeah. Well, so, and I know that sounds really silly, but I thought to myself, you know, these are kids. I mean, a lot of them are 18, you know, years old. I mean, of course there’s the leadership which is older and stuff.

But the vast majority of them are kids and, you know, they’re gone three, six, sometimes a year. You know, three, six months, sometimes a year.

And I was like, “You know, if they can leave their families for a year and put themselves at risk, I can leave my family for, you know, a month or whatever and go tell some jokes.” And most of those tours, I mean, the longest one was a month. Most of those tours like, I mean, I remember one time going to Korea for 48 hours.

Andrea Marie: Oh, wow.

But it was really about thinking about, what can I do that is of service to people and ’cause I do have to say it does mean a lot to the soldiers, you know, ’cause they, you do the show, but the real work is after the show. I mean, real reward is after the show when people are coming up and, you know, taking pictures and asking for autographs and giving you hugs, and really just remembering that time with them.

And I mean, one of my friends, Colonel Amber, I met her in Guam years ago and, you know, we stayed in touch. She’s been to my house for dinner and then after the earthquake in Haiti, she reached out to me and she’s like, “Hey, will you come, you know, bring a friend and come do some shows for us?”

And you do make friends.

Jennifer Rawlings: So I mean, they weren’t always, all the military shows obviously weren’t all in war zones. There was many other ones too.

Andrea Marie: Yeah. That’s so great. That’s so great. That sounds so, yeah, sounds so rewarding. And now with your documentary, you were telling me you get to work with, you got to work with your son.

Jennifer Rawlings: I got to work with my son and he like lived through all this stuff, you know?

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: He was the one that ate all the Cheez-Its

Andrea Marie: Oh. And now he was helping you.

Jennifer Rawlings: And now he directed it and edited it.

Andrea Marie: Oh, that’s so fun.

Jennifer Rawlings: Now working with your kids, I mean, ladies, and the guy, I’m sure there’s gonna be one guy there. If you can work with your kids on something, it is the most rewarding thing. It is so great, and you see all the things you did right and all the things you did wrong.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, it is good at go, “Mom.”

I know, I know. My son just graduated from Savannah College of Art and Design in film as well, and I’m having him do some film work for Moms Unhinged, doing a little.

Jennifer Rawlings: Oh, that’s so great. I love that.

Andrea Marie: It is fun. It is awesome. It’s great when it, the talents line up. Like if, you know, if they’re like a doctor, I don’t know how you can work together, but, you know, maybe.

I know.

That is awesome. So, um, so what your kids thought about you doing comedy? Have they, I’m sure they’ve seen you. Have they?

Jennifer Rawlings: They have. They have all seen me many, many, many times. I think they kinda get a kick out of it, you know? Because even though I was gone a lot, I was also there a lot.

Andrea Marie: Yeah. Right.

Jennifer Rawlings: So I mean, I remember one particular day, on a normal day I would get up at 5:30 in the morning, make my kids lunches, ’cause of course they had to go to different schools.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: God forbid they’re at the all same school. No, I had to go all over the place like a crazy person. But I remember one day in particular, I think I got up at like 2:00 in the morning. I set aside their breakfast. I made their lunches, wrote the little notes on their thing, “Have a great day and inspire others to do the same.”

I fly to Dallas, rent a car, drive to tape a television show, drive back to the airport and fly back and make them dinner.

Andrea Marie: Oh my gosh. That’s crazy.

Jennifer Rawlings: It was crazy. Absolutely insane.

Andrea Marie: That is wild. That is wild.

Jennifer Rawlings: So you know, I would try and be there as, when I was there, I was there,. But when I was gone, I will. I would try and be more gone, but they would still find me, my kids. No, I they like it and appreciate it for sure.

Andrea Marie: That’s awesome. I know. It is kind of a funny thing to, when they’re young, but then when they’re older, they’re like, “That’s pretty cool.” I know my kids like telling other people that their mom’s a comedian. What? We were also talking before we hit record about some unhinged times of being a sandwich generation parent.

Jennifer Rawlings: Oh my gosh.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, so you were taking care of your kids and your aging parents at the same time, and I think for me, I didn’t expect, I wasn’t expecting it. I wasn’t expecting, you know, with your kids, everyone talks about how hard it is, but I didn’t expect how much help my parents would need when they got older.

Jennifer Rawlings: Well, and also it’s, so with my mom, it was a long thing with her needing help, and she was still in Kansas, and so I’d go back and forth. But with my dad, that was kind of the real crazy one. That was like 13 years ago, so you know, Elijah was a young teenager. I still had, you know, kids at home.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: And you know, my dad passed away suddenly, but it was also sudden like the, you know, the week before when he simply had like sciatica, and I had to go fly to go. ‘Cause my mom, you know, had her health issues, and so then I go to Kansas and neither one of my parents can get in and out of the car they have.

So then I’m driving them, and for the first time ever, ’cause my dad was really healthy until he passed away. But he had been an attorney, and so he was always like in the middle of all the facts, all, you know, doing A, B, C, D. So it was shocking and so disturbing when I said to my parents, “Okay, we need to go get you guys a new car ’cause you can’t get in and out of this car.”

And they agreed, one, they agreed with me, and my dad let me do the test drive. So I was like, “Okay, this is crazy.”

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: There is something going very wrong here.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, yeah, it is wild to see your parents, you know, kind of have that big change in their health and you’re like, “Oh, whoa, what?

Jennifer Rawlings: You’re being agreeable? You’re not telling me what to do?

Andrea Marie: Oh.

Jennifer Rawlings: So yeah, I think that, you know, we’re all prepared somewhat because we hear nightmare stories about, you know, what it’s like to have a baby and a toddler. But I don’t think anything really prepares you for what it’s like to still, to have to take care of your kids and your Yeah. parents at the same time, and then somehow manage to like, take a breath.

Andrea Marie: Yeah.

Jennifer Rawlings: It’s so exhausting and so emotionally draining, and then, you know, and then the loss of the first parent, and it’s just, whew.

Andrea Marie: Yeah, need a little book, What to Expect When Your Parents Are… You’re Expecting Aging Parents or something like that. You know?

Jennifer Rawlings: Right. What to expect when your parents have totally left the coop.

Andrea Marie: Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Oh well, Jennifer, this has just been so much fun. I am so excited to see everything that you’re doing out there in the world to help raise awareness around, women in war zones and making people laugh and all of that. So thank you so much.

Where can people find you? We’ll put these links in the show notes, but where can they?

Jennifer Rawlings: You can find me… Well, first of all, before I tell you where you can find me, I wanna say thank you. I love what, Andrea, what you do is so important and, you know, just the smiling faces, you know, in the theater with your audiences. I mean, there is just so much joy that you are spreading, and so hats off to you, girl.

Andrea Marie: No, thanks.

Jennifer Rawlings: Okay, you can find me at jenniferrawlings.com. My website is a mess, so we’ll try and make it better. Also, @jenniferrawlings on Instagram. I have a Substack called Laughter is Beautiful, and it’s, the tagline is, “In a world divided, laughter is a bridge.” And look for I Only Smoke In War Zones on streaming soon on a platform near you.

Andrea Marie: Yay, yay. I love it. All right. Thank Jennifer.

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